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DeepSeek vs OpenAI: Strategic AI Competition

Key Points

  • DeepSeek’s playbook is to quickly re‑release cutting‑edge models (e.g., OpenAI’s latest) as open‑source equivalents, offering ultra‑low‑cost APIs to lure cost‑sensitive developers and capture market share.
  • Their business model relies on cheap training tricks (e.g., the disputed $5 M claim for a Claude‑Sonic‑class model) and a “copy‑the‑next‑big‑release” pipeline that can pivot to any rival breakthrough (Anthropic, Google, etc.).
  • OpenAI counters this by emphasizing data security—U.S. enterprises may avoid sending proprietary information to a China‑based provider—and by banking on its head‑start to deliver exponential performance jumps (e.g., moving from R1 to R3/R4 within months).
  • OpenAI’s long‑term bet is that corporations will be willing to pay a premium for the superior intelligence that arises from those exponential gains, offsetting the pressure from cheaper, open‑source alternatives.

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# DeepSeek vs OpenAI: Strategic AI Competition **Source:** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6bZI-0oAjc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6bZI-0oAjc) **Duration:** 00:11:23 ## Summary - DeepSeek’s playbook is to quickly re‑release cutting‑edge models (e.g., OpenAI’s latest) as open‑source equivalents, offering ultra‑low‑cost APIs to lure cost‑sensitive developers and capture market share. - Their business model relies on cheap training tricks (e.g., the disputed $5 M claim for a Claude‑Sonic‑class model) and a “copy‑the‑next‑big‑release” pipeline that can pivot to any rival breakthrough (Anthropic, Google, etc.). - OpenAI counters this by emphasizing data security—U.S. enterprises may avoid sending proprietary information to a China‑based provider—and by banking on its head‑start to deliver exponential performance jumps (e.g., moving from R1 to R3/R4 within months). - OpenAI’s long‑term bet is that corporations will be willing to pay a premium for the superior intelligence that arises from those exponential gains, offsetting the pressure from cheaper, open‑source alternatives. ## Sections - [00:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6bZI-0oAjc&t=0s) **DeepSeek’s R1 Model Strategy** - The speaker breaks down DeepSeek’s newly released open‑source R1 model and argues that the firm’s strategy of re‑creating cutting‑edge AI, providing low‑cost APIs, and targeting price‑sensitive developers aims to capture market share from larger players. ## Full Transcript
0:00I want to talk about R1 which was the 0:02new thinking model open source and 0:05released by Deep seek today but I want 0:08to talk about it strategically because 0:10this is happening a lot and I am tired 0:12of people being surprised so at the end 0:15of the day I want to lay out both the R1 0:17model and I also want to lay out the 0:19strategy of each player in the room when 0:21it comes to how they approach Ai and why 0:24so we're going to go through them first 0:26deep seek deep seek has done this before 0:29they are in the habit of taking Cutting 0:31Edge releases specifically from open Ai 0:35and releasing them later open source 0:38just as good and getting very cheap API 0:42costs along the way why would they do 0:45that why would it make sense these are 0:46the guys that made a lot of headlines 0:48for saying deep seek V3 which is sort of 0:50a four class Claude Sonic class kind of 0:53a model was trained for $5 million 0:56people debated whether that was true but 0:58the point is it's much cheaper than the 1:00original cost of train chat gp4 which 1:03started the whole four class Revolution 1:06so at the end of the day their strategy 1:10whatever their actual training cost was 1:12is to gain market share using their apis 1:15which are very cheap if they can shift 1:17developers over to deep seek over time 1:20by providing more and more effectively 1:23equivalent 1:24intelligence they're going to be doing 1:26really well because developers are very 1:29cost sensitive and will be happy to move 1:32to a model in most cases that they can 1:34get for cheaper and so to me I would 1:36expect them to release 01 Pro copycat 1:39next and as soon as there's another 1:41model that's more Cutting Edge like 03 1:43they're going to start working on that 1:45if there's something that another lab 1:46releases that is also Cutting Edge in a 1:48different way maybe anthropic comes out 1:50with something maybe Google comes out 1:51with something they'll work on a version 1:53of that too their whole strategy is to 1:55essentially come from behind deliver 1:58cheap API cards toath the market so much 2:02for deep seek let's move to open AI why 2:04are they not more worried this is a 2:06situation where intelligence costs are 2:08coming down in a matter of months 01 is 2:10not a mo anymore what do you do well 2:13they're betting on two things first 2:16because deep seek is a Chinese model 2:18they're betting that American 2:19corporations at scale will find that 2:21it's not secure to send their data to 2:23China and would prefer to keep their 2:25data in the US uh and so they want to 2:28use a us-made model and so there's sort 2:30of an inherent Advantage for open AI at 2:32that point second they are betting on 2:35the exponential curve at the end of the 2:37day a little bit more time for them to 2:41work on a Model A little bit of a Time 2:43Advantage can translate to exponential 2:46performance gains and so if you think 2:49about it 03 can be substantially better 2:53than 01 in just a matter of months and 2:5504 beyond that and what they're betting 2:58on is that that exponential gain an 3:00intelligence is something that 3:01corporations will pay a premium to 3:03access over time we'll see if they're 3:06right but essentially what they're 3:08betting on is that there's 3:08disproportionate gains to be had for 3:10being an American company that lives at 3:12The Cutting Edge and that is able to 3:14continually deploy these extremely 3:16Advanced models and that eventually they 3:19will get into a point where they are 3:20using a recursive feedback loop to very 3:23very rapidly improve these models and 3:24that could potentially help them expand 3:26their lead what's interesting is we see 3:29some sign of that already there was a 3:32little leak that came out uh in the last 3:34week that part of what made open AI so 3:39excited over Christmas and getting into 3:41New Year's is that they were able to use 3:43four different instances of 01 to 3:46rewrite their Transformers codebase I it 3:49sounds like a movie but it's not it's 3:51the Transformer based architecture 3:52that's at the heart of large language 3:54models and they asked these 01 instances 3:57to look at the codebase and see if they 3:58could make it more efficient and they 4:00did substantially and if that's the case 4:03then we are getting to a point where AI 4:05can help build AI which means that for a 4:08company like open AI if they are at The 4:10Cutting Edge that feedback loop runs 4:13faster and allows them to gain an Ever 4:15bigger advantage over time that is 4:17probably the corporate bet they are 4:19making let's look at a couple of the 4:21other players though let's look at 4:23Google what's Google's bet here Google 4:25is playing defensively at the end of the 4:27day Google has a search position to to 4:29maintain everything they've done for the 4:31last 20 years is about defending their 4:34search position and deploying a little 4:36bit of spare cash to bets it's a very 4:38conservative corporate strategy actually 4:40it reminds me a lot of like a General 4:42Motors strategy but if that's their play 4:46why are they so hard in on open Ai and 4:49why are they so hard in on artificial 4:50intelligence I should say the reason 4:52they're pushing so hard on AI is because 4:55at the end of the day they see this as a 4:58disruption to search 5:00one of the things that uh I was reading 5:02about is a CEO of a fairly large 5:06corporation saying off the Record that 5:09he has seen the search funnel collapse 5:12with Google where organic search for his 5:14Corporation has just started to just 5:16erode and is like half of what it once 5:18was look that's an anecdote right it's 5:20not that I'm saying search has gone away 5:2350% but I think if you're sitting there 5:26in Google's chair you are worried about 5:29the long-term erosion of search because 5:31of AI you're not really worried about AI 5:33tools like perplexity that just do 5:35search what you're worried about is that 5:37people will use search on chat GPT 5:41instead over time you're worried that at 5:44the end of the day the active searching 5:46is really about gaining knowledge and if 5:48these AI models have the knowledge why 5:51would you go to 5:53Google and so they're desperately 5:55playing from behind to get the benefits 5:59of AI so that you stay on the google.com 6:02homepage and do your searches there 6:04that's why they rushed so hard for those 6:05summaries even though people laughed at 6:07them and said the summaries were 6:09terrible that's why they rushed so hard 6:12to make sure that they deploying on 6:14Google Cloud AI Solutions corporations 6:16can trust at the end of the day if it's 6:19the same position with Google Cloud as 6:21it is with search if corporations can't 6:23see AI solutions that they can trust and 6:26leverage within their own cloud 6:27footprint they're going multicloud 6:29they're going some else for that AI 6:31Amazon is actually similar if you look 6:33at Amazon's position they deployed 6:3515,000 engineers and they built a timer 6:40that's what Alexa is Alexa is a smart 6:42timer it was an open joke at Amazon 6:4515,000 Engineers to build a smart timer 6:47they missed the boat on large language 6:49models they have been playing from 6:50behind that is their incentive to work 6:53with anthropic that is why they are 6:54pushing so hard on their trinium silicon 6:57they are desperate to regain a strategic 6:59advantage that allows them to maintain 7:01the margin leverage they have at 7:03AWS that is what matters to them and so 7:06they have to push hard on AI that is why 7:09Jeff Bezos has gone back to work several 7:11days a week just reviewing AI six pagers 7:15they've got to get back in the 7:17game and from their perspective if all 7:21they do is defend their current market 7:23share and continue to grow it the way 7:25they have been they're doing okay but I 7:28know Amazon because I used to work there 7:31and I know that they're hungrier than 7:32that and so they're actually not going 7:34to be satisfied with just defending 7:36their position they are going to insist 7:39that they eventually be able to take the 7:41number one slot in the AI world and 7:42they're going to keep innovating and or 7:44buying companies until they do so we 7:47will see how that all plays out that's 7:48their ambition right now they're just 7:50trying to defend their market share the 7:51way Google cloud is and this by the way 7:54the the cloud products is why they 7:56charge for these models 7:59that is why Zuckerberg and meta do not 8:02charge for llama because they're not a 8:04cloud company they are a company that 8:07makes money off of ads sold to 8:10eyeballs and so for them if they can use 8:13these AI models and they can juice an 8:15ecosystem for free where developers know 8:17their model architecture and their 8:19ecosystem so they can pull in Talent 8:21anytime they want which is exactly what 8:23they did by the way you know the 5% riff 8:25they did for performance it was 8:26explicitly to dump out the bottom 5% of 8:28the company and bring in fresh Talent 8:30which is really hard on morale but it's 8:32really easy to do if you have an open 8:34source ecosystem that's that popular in 8:36llama you can just bring in developers 8:38that are already familiar with llama 8:39super easy and that's what they're doing 8:42because their goal is to use that 8:44ecosystem to generate personalized feeds 8:48for the billions of people that use 8:51their products so that instead of 8:53looking at friend generated content 8:55you're going to be looking at AI 8:57generated content and AI generated ads 9:00and even if you feel weird about that 9:02and I feel weird about that I guarantee 9:04you it's going to perform well now they 9:06have pushed too hard in some cases you 9:08saw the botched roll out of the 9:11avatars a couple of weeks ago where an 9:13avatar famously said I was out helping 9:16over Christmas at a Food Kitchen or 9:17something like there was some like 9:19charitable cause thing and everyone 9:21dunked on them and said you're a madeup 9:22avatar what are you talking about this 9:23is really 9:25offensive that is just a bump in the 9:27road they are coming back they're going 9:28to do it again and they're going to do 9:31it again because it's really really 9:32lucrative to increase the eyeball time 9:35in their app that is what they're going 9:39for so that's meta's strategy that's why 9:41meta is open sourcing that's why Google 9:43and Amazon are not what about Microsoft 9:46Microsoft is interesting because 9:47Microsoft has a cloud product but they 9:49also have open AI in the fold so they 9:52have two ways to win which is part of 9:54why Sacha nadela is doing so well these 9:56days uh they win because they've defined 9:59a financial term for artificial general 10:02intelligence that means that open AI 10:04must cough up something like a hundred 10:06billion in profits before AGI has been 10:09achieved which by the way if you saw Sam 10:11Alman today saying Tamp down the hype we 10:13haven't built AGI he can't say they have 10:16built AGI because it's a hundred billion 10:18dollar statement he can't say it so like 10:22take it for like with a block of salt 10:24right like he's never going to say that 10:26because it's a corporate statement okay 10:29what is Microsoft's game though not only 10:31are they getting paid if open AI does 10:33well which it well they are also getting 10:36paid by taking the open aai models 10:39deploying them in Azure and selling them 10:43with the openai label behind Azure 10:45they're in a really good spot on that 10:47and then they can pull the tech into the 10:48consumer side and all of 10:50that that's a really good spot to be 10:52you're defending your Cloud business 10:54you're pushing the open AI brand which 10:56is the best known brand in AI at this 10:58point and if open AI does well you also 11:00make money that way it's a good spot to 11:03be so that's a quick tour of the 11:06different major players in the game what 11:08they're thinking why they're thinking it 11:10deep seek made me want to do that 11:12because at the end of the day if we 11:13don't understand the incentives we're 11:14confused by the news so there you go 11:16those are the Strategic incentives I 11:18hope this was a nice tour for you um 11:20yeah cheers