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AI, Data Elevate Fantasy Football

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  • Fantasy football has become a cultural phenomenon that deepens fan engagement by letting everyday viewers actively participate in the sport.
  • The surge in fantasy participation fuels a “cottage industry,” driving viewership, editorial consumption, merchandise sales, and overall revenue for platforms like ESPN.
  • IBM partners with ESPN to continuously enhance the fantasy platform, using data preparation and AI technologies since 2017 to improve user experience.
  • Each year, newer AI capabilities are integrated into the system—such as advanced trade assessment tools—demonstrating how evolving data science keeps fantasy football innovative and competitive.

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# AI, Data Elevate Fantasy Football **Source:** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2s1_9dUg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2s1_9dUg) **Duration:** 00:27:38 ## Summary - Fantasy football has become a cultural phenomenon that deepens fan engagement by letting everyday viewers actively participate in the sport. - The surge in fantasy participation fuels a “cottage industry,” driving viewership, editorial consumption, merchandise sales, and overall revenue for platforms like ESPN. - IBM partners with ESPN to continuously enhance the fantasy platform, using data preparation and AI technologies since 2017 to improve user experience. - Each year, newer AI capabilities are integrated into the system—such as advanced trade assessment tools—demonstrating how evolving data science keeps fantasy football innovative and competitive. ## Sections - [00:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2s1_9dUg&t=0s) **Data-Driven Fantasy Football Boom** - The segment explores how fantasy football’s explosive growth hinges on data preparation and AI, with ESPN’s Mike Greenberg and IBM’s Elizabeth O’Brien discussing its impact on fan engagement and the sport’s business landscape. - [00:03:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2s1_9dUg&t=200s) **Turning Data Overload into Fantasy Insight** - A discussion on leveraging ESPN’s vast statistics through Watsonx to simplify lineup decisions, evaluate player boom‑or‑bust potential, and reshape fans’ relationship with fantasy football. - [00:06:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2s1_9dUg&t=387s) **Data Over Bias in Competitive Play** - The speaker stresses that casual participation is fine, but winning in fantasy football—or the stock market—requires leveraging extensive data and setting aside personal loyalties, citing Eli Manning’s failed draft and the capabilities of platforms like Watsonx. - [00:09:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2s1_9dUg&t=572s) **Data-Driven Decisions in Fantasy Football** - The speaker argues that, like the analytics revolution that reshaped NBA play toward three‑point shooting, fantasy football managers should prioritize rapid, data‑based analysis over gut instinct since decisions must be made quickly in a schedule with near‑daily games. - [00:12:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2s1_9dUg&t=759s) **AI-Powered Fantasy Decision Making** - The speaker extols the use of Watsonx and large language models for personalized, data‑driven fantasy league choices, marveling at an inscrutably brilliant expert while likening trades to business transactions. - [00:15:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2s1_9dUg&t=946s) **Data-Driven Strategy in Sports** - The discussion explains how caddies, players, commentators, and coaches increasingly rely on analytical data—blended with intuition—to plan tactics, anticipate opponents’ tendencies, and shape fan perspectives across sports like golf and football. - [00:18:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2s1_9dUg&t=1131s) **IBM Powers Fantasy Sports Analytics** - IBM leverages algorithms and large language models to process both structured and unstructured ESPN data, creating a trade analyzer that boosts fantasy league activity and engagement. - [00:21:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2s1_9dUg&t=1313s) **Rise of Fantasy Football Coverage** - The speaker highlights the growing importance of expert insight alongside analytics, noting ESPN’s shift from less than 1% to about 20% of its content now dedicated to fantasy football. - [00:25:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFa2s1_9dUg&t=1511s) **AI vs Gut Instinct in Fantasy Sports** - The speaker explains that Watsonx’s comprehensive, data‑driven modeling of game factors (defense strength, play calling, clock management) yields more accurate fantasy football predictions than relying on personal gut feelings. ## Full Transcript
0:00Fantasy football has exploded over the years, arguably 0:03becoming one of the most popular American pastimes. 0:06And as any fan knows, fantasy football is all about that data. 0:10So today I want to talk about how data and data preparation really make AI fly, 0:16how it makes it soar, but especially as it comes to fantasy football. 0:20So I'm thrilled to have the perfect folks for the job right here. 0:23Legendary ESPN anchor and host of ESPN's Get Up, Mike Greenberg 0:28and senior executive, 0:29sports and entertainment sponsorship marketing at IBM, Elizabeth O'Brien. 0:33Mike and Elizabeth, I'm stoked that you're here today. 0:36Well, thank you for having us. Yes. Thank you. 0:38Well, let's get into it. 0:39Okay. 0:39So, Mike, I want to start off with you and Elizabeth, of course, 0:42jump on in here, please. 0:43It feels like fantasy 0:44football might be an even bigger deal than football to some folks these days. 0:48It's, like, really woven itself into the fabric of society. 0:52So I'm curious about how you think that fantasy football 0:55has changed the relationship between fans and football. 0:58There are so many more people who are interested in football today, 1:02because they can have this direct involvement, 1:06because they can actually be a part of the game 1:09in a real and meaningful way than there would otherwise have been. 1:12When we look at the causes for the explosion of popularity 1:16of pro football in this country, I would put that right at or near the top. 1:20So I think it's important to say it's also become a business, right. 1:24And it's a business that's now a driver of business. Right. 1:26So for ESPN and the other fantasy football platforms, it drives consumption. 1:31It drives consumption of ESPN shows. 1:34It drives consumption of ESPN editorial and it drives consumption 1:38of NFL merch, watching on Sunday, all sorts of discussions. 1:42A whole cottage industry has grown up around fantasy football. 1:46And so for ESPN, it is an important business platform 1:50for them too, because it helps their other existing businesses. 1:53So we've heard some now about why it's important to ESPN that makes 1:57complete sense. 1:58How and why is it important to IBM though? 2:00How does IBM get in the mix with all this? 2:02Well, we have a partnership with ESPN. 2:04So ESPN is a business just like any other business we partner with. 2:09And their objective is to make their platform the best it can be. 2:13Make the best experience for ESPN fantasy football managers. 2:17And so we use technology to help them do that. 2:19And we've been doing that since 2017. 2:22And every year we build on top of what we did the previous year. 2:26So it is the first instance of AI in fantasy football. 2:31And every year there are developments in AI. 2:34And so we bring those developments to the ESPN fantasy platform. 2:38I've been lucky enough 2:39to be a part of this program with Elizabeth and all of the team at IBM. 2:44I think almost since its inception, and I have been flabbergasted. 2:48I mean, each year I sit as they go through all of the new technology, 2:52all of the new things that can be offered. 2:54I remember when we're starting to assess trades and then, 2:56I mean, I've watched all these things grow. 2:58And so the evolution of it has been remarkable. 3:01It's actually how I have learned about the growth of AI in our country, 3:05in a much more general macro way, because I am flabbergasted 3:10at the amount of information that is now available at your fingertips 3:14in the blink of an eye through ESPN and IBM's program, 3:17even versus what there was when we started doing this a few years ago. 3:20Yeah. 3:20Well, I mean, it's a good compliment because ESPN has so much information, 3:24so many experts, so much information printed, so much data, so many statistics 3:30that it actually almost creates 3:31an embarrassment of riches for people who are playing fantasy football. 3:35So what we're doing is we're using technology to say, 3:38hey, ESPN, there's all this great data out there. 3:40You have all these great experts. 3:42Let us help boil that down and make sort of a digestible experience 3:47for Fantasy Football Manager as they set their lineup week to week, 3:50or as they evaluate waiver wire pickups or trades. 3:54Well, with all that data, then, like you said, 3:56it seems like it's an embarrassment of riches, right? 3:58So that's a lot of work for y'all to do in order to boil it down, 4:01how is that impacting the fans? 4:02What are fans doing with all of this data, and how is that changing 4:05their relationship with football, but also with fantasy football? 4:08So I'll just start with 4:09what what we're doing specifically, when you think about your your fantasy 4:13football lineup, there are ways, you know, there are injuries there by weeks, etc. 4:17so you're constantly having to shift it over the 17 or 18 weeks of the season. 4:21And there are a few ways to alter your your roster. 4:24You can take someone off the bench, of course, 4:26and you want to know if they're likely to boom or bust. 4:28So Watsonx is helping to evaluate the boom and bust potential of players, 4:33so you can decide whether you're going to leave them on the bench or start them. 4:35But you can also pick up players through the waiver wire. 4:38If there's a player on the waiver, 4:39well, is that wide receiver really better than who I've got on my team? 4:42I need some help with that, right? 4:44And so if we can boil down, you know, millions of pieces of data 4:48into a single waiver grade, right, and say, you know what, this 4:52this wide receiver is an 89 and you're average wide receiver grade is a 77. 4:56So this is a pretty good pickup, right? 4:59So that's what we started doing and this year, what's new is we're saying 5:02here's why. 5:04We're sort of opening that black box and using generative 5:07AI to identify the contributing factors. 5:10Here's why that person got an 89 grade. 5:13Because they're facing this defense. 5:14Because they've boomed 5:16the last three games, because, you know, whatever the reasons are. 5:20So it's actually it's simplifying down to a grade, but then it's 5:23expanding and explaining itself through generative AI to fantasy managers. 5:28What they are doing is synthesizing an amount of information 5:31that is infinitely beyond anything my brain is capable of processing. 5:36And frankly, anyone's brain is capable of processing. 5:39The fascinating piece of this is they're not just looking at numbers 5:41that can be found in other places, but they are also synthesizing 5:45what people are saying they're taking into account 5:48what's being written in the columns, in the local newspapers, on the websites, 5:51what people on talk shows like mine are saying. 5:54All those get sort of mixed into this extraordinary 5:57stew and out come the probabilities of boom and bust. 6:02And is this player a good pick up for this week? 6:04But perhaps after that week you're going to want to make another change. 6:08The amount of information 6:09that you can receive from this is endless and extraordinary. 6:13And the comparison I would make to it. 6:15You know, when I was young 6:16and I first learned 6:17about the stock market, I first learned about the stock market was I thought, 6:20well, I really like this company and I really like this brand of car. 6:25So I'm going to buy those stocks. 6:27And what I quickly realized was, I don't know what 6:30the entire rest of the world likes and is going to like. 6:34So the comparison I would make to 6:36that is you can play fantasy football just to have fun if you want to. 6:40And there's nothing wrong with that. 6:41And if you want to do that and just pick players that you like 6:44because they're on your team and you want to root for them, 6:46there's nothing wrong with that. 6:48But if you want to play competitively, if you want to win, 6:52just as is the case in the stock market, then you would be very, 6:57very foolish not to take into account as much data as you possibly can. 7:01I think we were playing a couple years ago 7:03with Eli Manning when he learned that lesson. 7:05It was right after he retired and he drafted his former teammates 7:09and very quickly would drop to the bottom of our league. 7:12So he very he had to do some trades and waiver pickups. 7:16Those are hard lessons to learn even for fans. 7:19Like I started out, I'm a fan of the New York Jets. 7:21So I started out, I said I will not draft any New England Patriots 7:24no matter what happens. 7:26And I took as many Jets as I possibly could, 7:28and I had the worst team in the league our first year. 7:31And these are lessons you have to learn the hard way. 7:34Unless you listen to podcasts like this one and realize, oh, 7:39you're telling me that through Watsonx, there is an endless array of data? 7:43Again, if you just want to play to have fun, there's nothing wrong with that. 7:46But if you really want to try to compete, if that is important to you, 7:49then there's just no way in the world you can do it. 7:52If you're not using this kind of information 7:55and you're competing against people who are. 7:57And what's fantasy 7:58football without a little competition, a little friendly competition. 8:02Yeah. 8:02So, Greeny, you just said one thing 8:04that I just wanted to pick up on is, you know, the stock market. 8:07And I know that your example was sort of you with cars and stock prices, 8:11but it's fair to say that 8:13this is the same technology we're using for industries outside of sports. 8:17And fantasy football it’s basically how do you make decisions? 8:21How do you synthesize vast amounts of data 8:25to make the best possible decision in any industry? 8:28Because any business that you're running is going to require 8:32information, is going to require decisions. 8:35So for you, is trusting the data versus 8:39trusting your gut always a better thing? 8:42Where are we sitting on that spectrum? 8:44The gut is a big problem, okay? 8:48People who 8:49trust their gut are the ones who lose all the time. 8:53Here's what I will say. 8:55Let's line up ten people, okay? 8:57And five of them, five of them are going to play trusting the data. 9:01And the other five of them are going to play trusting their gut. 9:04And then you watch how that works out. 9:06And then ask me that question again. 9:08And it's really as simple as that. 9:10Look, Moneyball in some ways is the is the predecessor of this or it's 9:14they're they're from the same family. They're from the same tree. 9:16The teams themselves and the leagues themselves are using this information 9:21as well. 9:21It's, I mean Daryl Morey, I think is who's the general manager 9:24now of the Philadelphia 9:2576ers from Northwestern University by the way quick plug my alma mater. 9:29But but but he is was one of the first. 9:32He is credited as being one of the first to really bring a the analytics 9:36heavily into the NBA. 9:37And the game has changed enormously. 9:40I know we're talking about fantasy football, 9:41but if you remember what basketball looked like 9:4320 years ago, they weren't shooting threes all the time. 9:46Now that's all you do because they've recognized that threes and layups. 9:50It just makes sense mathematically. 9:53The data suggests that you will win far more often doing that 9:57than you will win if you play the way the game had always been played. 10:00Spin that directly to this. 10:03You could play with your gut, and if you play that 10:05over the course of a 17 week season, you'll win once. 10:09But you know you can also, if you're playing blackjack, hit on 18 10:13and you might win once, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. 10:17The point I'm making is 10:19I strongly discourage the use of the gut in decision making. 10:24When it comes to matters like this. 10:26Nine times out of ten, the gut will lose. 10:28I want to dig into a little bit about the importance of the speed. 10:31Like how quickly can all of this data get processed 10:34and why is that a relevant thing when it comes to fantasy football? 10:37Because people have to make these decisions rather quickly. 10:40It's more relevant now than it has ever been. 10:42And I mean that quite literally for this coming season, as they are 10:44now going to start playing games on almost every day of the week. 10:49So it used to be there was a time where you could, 10:51okay, I'll wait until Friday and I'll set my roster for this week 10:55because they're going to be games on Sunday and one on Monday night. 10:58Well, now we've added a Thursday night game every single week. 11:01Now there are a bunch of games that are going to be played on Saturdays. 11:04This year they're going to be Wednesday games. 11:06So this is information, injury updates, all those sorts of things. 11:10These are decisions 11:11that will have to be made almost in real time, almost in real time 11:14football is not quite like basketball or baseball where there are a game 11:17there's a game literally every day, but there is almost a game 11:21every day of the week in the NFL this coming year, 11:25and there will be some weeks where there practically are, so that 11:28I think that the value of getting that data and information 11:32quickly has never been more significant than it will be for this upcoming season. 11:37Right, and so stats don't update as quickly as natural language, right? 11:42Because there are pundits out there 11:43talking about, well, on Friday this might happen or this just happened. 11:47Right. 11:47And so it's the ability to get into language and to understand 11:52how that language translates to data translates to a decision factor. 11:56And that's what Watsonx and Granite are helping to do in ESPN fantasy football. 12:01When we started this partnership in 2017, I didn't know what Gen AI was. 12:06I mean, I'm sure it existed somewhere, but but not not in my world, you know? 12:10So we were just focusing on boom and bust, right? 12:13Is this person going to exceed their projection 12:15or are they going to fall short? 12:17And we were using AI just for that very simple decision making. 12:20Now we are evaluating trades which are complex, 12:24you know, exchanges of value basically. 12:27And we are evaluating waiver pickups and we're doing it in a personalized way. 12:31So it's not just that this wide receiver is great. 12:34It's this wide receiver is great 12:35for your team because your wide receivers are falling short. 12:39And so we think that's great. 12:40But Greeny might have all great wide receivers. 12:44And that same wide receiver would get a 50 grade for him. 12:47So it's personalization, it’s the use of large language models like Granite. 12:53It's the use of Watsonx to explain 12:57why, decisions and recommendations are being made. 13:01But Greeny, I don't know if... 13:02It's all well beyond my ability to comprehend. 13:05I enjoy seeing the data, I use it, I've come to use it religiously. 13:11And at this point, I would never make a decision 13:14in our league or any league that I might play in without using Watsonx. 13:18But for the life of me, I couldn't explain to you how they do it. 13:21And in fact, I have many times met the gentleman who actually was responsible 13:25or at least credited for having started all of this, 13:27and he's so smart that I can't even have a conversation with him. 13:30To be completely honest with you, 13:32if you've ever wanted to feel like the dumbest person in the room, 13:35have a conversation with him about the question you just asked. 13:39I think he uses some of that smarts to just confuse you two if you're playing. 13:43But he also won the league. I mean, that's the thing. 13:45Like he's not he's walking the walk. 13:48He's not just talking the talk. 13:49He wins every year because he knows what he's doing. 13:53But all kidding aside, 13:54to go back to what I was thinking about when Elizabeth was saying 13:57that is in a real way, these are business deals that we're making, right? 14:01I mean, they are actually business transactions. 14:04A trade is like a business transaction, and you would never make a business 14:10transaction without taking into account all of the factors that are involved. 14:15There's risk. 14:16There's there's what's my high end success here? 14:19What's my low end risk here? 14:20What am I giving up? What am I getting back in return? 14:22What is the probability of this working out best for me 14:25that's the information that you're getting. 14:27No one can tell you with certainty things that are going to happen. 14:30If you knew that, then you know you I would you would. 14:33I wouldn't be sitting here. I'd be living on an island of my own ownership. 14:37With all the watches that you want. 14:38Playing a golf course that only I can play. 14:42But what you are, what you are getting 14:43is the most educated guessing possible. 14:48Like, there is no more educated speculation 14:52that you can get literally anywhere else. 14:54And why wouldn't you utilize that in any business transaction? 14:59Yeah. 14:59I mean, it's just it's massive amounts of data and the data points 15:03to, you know, certain insights and certain conclusions. 15:06Of course, they're going to go and play the game anyway just to see what happens. 15:10But going in sort of understanding all the variables 15:13really helps you to be in the best possible position. 15:16So I'll give you another example. 15:17That's a non fantasy example from an IBM perspective. 15:21You know we partner with Augusta National at the Masters. 15:24And this year we had a feature called Hole Insights. 15:28And we were using Watsonx to identify zones on the course. 15:33And what usually happens when you land in the zone on the course. 15:36The odds of making birdie par bogey from certain locations, right. 15:41There is a lot of sort of feel in golf and sort of a lot of experience in golf. 15:47But we also heard from caddies, from players, from commentators 15:51that they were actually using our data to help them understand 15:56how the course might play, where to look for really exciting spots on the course, 16:01and outlooks for how the how the round on that particular day may play out. 16:06So it's a mix. 16:07It's a mix. It's art and science. 16:09It's wild to really see that mix happen in real time too, you know? 16:15And then, you know, as you mentioned, of course, it impacts how the fans 16:17are looking at things as they are truly looking at the seats. 16:21But I'm just imagine being a player and having a discussion with coach and 16:26understanding that there's actual data behind 16:29now what I'm supposed to put into, like my gut and my impulse. 16:32So what have you kind of heard from the player standpoint? 16:34Oh well, I mean, the players are very well aware of this 16:36and they have been ahead of this to at least some degree. 16:39So every coach has tendencies. 16:42If you're calling a defense. 16:43Now we're talking about about the actual football coaches here. 16:46If you're the opposing, you're Andy Reid, you're the coach of the Kansas 16:49City Chiefs. 16:50And I'm the defensive coordinator of another team. 16:52And I know that on third and three or shorter your tendencies, 16:56the probability is you're going to do A, and if it doesn't work 16:59then you're going to check it to B. 17:01And so I'm going to prepare myself for A and B. 17:04And those are things that they have been analyzing this kind of data with whatever 17:08they've had available to them for as long as these games have been played. 17:12And all of them are now every, every team 17:15in every sports league, including college, is using all of this data. 17:20I remember having a conversation with the football coach at Northwestern 17:23about this, when I was trying to understand why it is, if you are down 17:27a certain amount of points in a game, that we made a decision to go for two 17:31on, on a touchdown when I did not think it made sense, 17:35and he explained to me he went through all of the different probabilities. 17:39This is just data that is being run that Elizabeth might be able 17:42to explain to you that I most certainly could not. 17:44But the data suggests that far more often than not, your best scenario is down 17:4914 with X amount of time left, you go for the two. 17:53Now your cognitive mind might say I'm much safer kicking 17:57the extra point to kick two extra points send the game to overtime. 18:00But the data says that if you play this out a thousand times 18:05or a million times, or perhaps Watsonx could tell you a trillion times, 18:09you will win more times by going for the two than not so. 18:14And almost all coaches do that. 18:17Now, there used to be coaches who would coach by the gut. 18:20They used to call it. 18:21I mean, they used to say I never read the book coaching by the book. 18:23I don't coach by the book. I don't read by the book. 18:25Those guys don't last anymore. 18:27There are almost none of those anymore. 18:29Data is making the decisions in all, in team building, 18:33in game strategy every bit as much as it is in fantasy. 18:37Yeah. 18:37And so when you think those are coaches with years of experience, right. 18:41Fantasy football managers are people like me, right? 18:44And I didn't play fantasy before we started this partnership. 18:48So I was relying very heavily on the data. 18:51Right. 18:51So you have to think, you know, fantasy is for everyday people 18:54and some of them are great sports experts and some of them are not, right? 18:58But by unlocking the amount of data that people with years of experience have, 19:03you even the playing field a little bit and you make it a lot more fun. 19:07Can you give us a little bit of insight in terms of how IBM crunches 19:10all of this data as quickly as it does? 19:14We work with ESPN year round. 19:15It's really a partnership where we understand sort of what their need is. 19:18You know, people aren't trading enough. 19:20You know, a fun league is an active league and trading really drives 19:23activity, right? 19:24And makes people want to come back for more 19:26and makes people want to set their lineups more. 19:28I mean, it's not good for anybody 19:29if you don't set your lineup week to week and you're not actively playing. 19:33So that's how we ended up using technology 19:36for the trade analyzer, saying, okay, there's all this data out there. 19:39I would have to get into calculus terms 19:41that I have not thought about for years, but there is a team 19:44led by a distinguished engineer at IBM, and they basically have 19:49a number of algorithms to pull in the data from ESPN. 19:53And again, I have to emphasize that unstructured data is really important. 19:58So that's language. 19:59It's not just stats. 20:00It's not just numbers and tables. 20:02It's you know what Greeny is saying on Get Up. 20:04It's what everyone else is saying on all of the other shows. 20:07And that's what's new, you know, it's using large language 20:10models to then turn that into data that we can now express 20:14in plain language for people who are playing fantasy football. 20:18And we can also express it in terms of numbers as well. 20:21So we use 20:22what's called a garage methodology, and we develop prototypes of the solution. 20:27And as the year goes on, 20:28we decide, okay, this is the one that's going to make a really good experience. 20:32And then we implement that every year. 20:34So it's really a year round process and starts with a business need 20:39or fan or fantasy manager 20:42experience need that will differentiate ESPN. 20:46Well Mike hearing that, how does it feel to know 20:48that you're a part of the unstructured data that's being pulled on in? 20:51I, I be honest with you, that's maybe two years now 20:55that we've been doing that or so I mean, that's a relatively new phenomenon. 20:58Yeah. When I first learned that, I was really surprised. 21:00I mean, I was I was taken aback just at the ability to synthesize that. 21:04Think about how many words are being written 21:06and spoken every single day about sports in this country. 21:09It boggles the mind. 21:11And somehow Watsonx is literally able to synthesize all of it. 21:15And not only that, but weigh the the value of some of it versus other of it. 21:20Well, that it's just I have to interrupt you for one second. 21:23That's really important because it has to be trusted data. 21:26And so that's sort of the strength of Watsonx, right. 21:28It's trusted data that is, you know, we can't take in 21:32data that's not vetted or trusted. 21:35And then we have to govern that data. We have to watch it. 21:38And we have to make sure that it doesn't it doesn't drift or start to hallucinate. 21:43There are humans involved to make sure that we're staying on track 21:47with the models throughout. 21:48And Greeny happens to be a trusted source. 21:50So he's back in that trusted data pile. 21:52So I'll let you continue. 21:53On and and but more to the point, the people who are on my show 21:56are the ones that we trust. 21:57So I sit there and I'm surrounded every single day by two 22:01or 3 or 4 legitimate football experts, people who played the game, who understand 22:06the dynamics of things that are going on, that even the most avid fan. 22:10And here's the point about how this information factors in with the numbers. 22:14Even someone who has access to all of the the hard data, 22:18whatever one would describe all the statistics as, 22:21someone who played the game will have an understanding 22:24of things that those people that that those numbers may not tell. 22:27So that's why I was really fascinated that it could do that. 22:30And I think the value of it is overwhelming. 22:32And I can tell you how much more important it has become 22:34just from a content standpoint, which is the area that I specialize in. 22:37So, I mean, I've been at ESPN for 28 years and I started out 22:42anchoring SportsCenters, and I can tell you that in the late 90s, 22:47we had I would say we devoted 22:50less than 1% of our content time to the coverage 22:55of the fantasy angle of sports of any sport, much less football. 22:58But any sport, 22:59as this has evolved and as society, as I mentioned before, has evolved. 23:03We're we're now spending probably closer to 20% of 23:07our content is is is aimed in that direction, aimed at people 23:12who are, specifically people who are playing fantasy football. 23:16I'm talking about one out of every five words I speak on the air. 23:20I'm thinking about that person 23:21because that has become such an incredibly important 23:24part of the audience, and that's what these people are looking for. 23:26I have a philosophy that the job 23:29of a talk show host is not to create interest, it's to reflect it. 23:33So I'm not doing this because I want people to be interested 23:36in in fantasy football and in the information that you can get 23:40from Watsonx, I'm doing it because those people are interested in it, 23:44and that's what they want from shows like mine. 23:46Well, I'm going to lean into something 23:47that I know that our listeners right now really want from this particular episode. 23:51We're going to play a little game of gut versus data. 23:54Mike, I want you to tell us how 23:57your gut thinks that your QB is going to do this season. 24:01By my QB, obviously you mean Aaron Rodgers. 24:03Absolutely. 24:03Well, so Aaron Rodgers is like a human madlib, right? 24:07Like he spent the offseason like running for vice president 24:12maybe and then missed minicamp because he was in Egypt. 24:18Like these are this is like you've 24:19just filled in a madlib and somehow came up with all of these. 24:22Having said all of that, now that the season is mercifully getting 24:26set to begin, if he is healthy, I think he is going to be terrific. 24:31He has and the Jets have all of the things 24:33that are required for a quarterback to be successful. 24:36They should have an outstanding running game with a great running back 24:40in Breece Hall, who I think is going to go 2 or 3 or at latest four in most drafts. 24:45They have a dynamic young star wide receiver in Garrett 24:48Wilson that I think he will have excellent chemistry with and other good weapons. 24:52They have a rebuilt 24:53and hopefully much better offensive line, and they also have a really good defense. 24:57The only thing about a defense, and this is where all the AI comes into 25:01play, is if your defense is really good, then sometimes your offense 25:05is a little bit more conservative 25:07because your defense 25:08isn't giving up as many points, so you're not going to throw as many passes. 25:11So all those things get factored in. 25:13And this is why asking me my gut 25:16is not nearly as useful as asking Watsonx, 25:20because Watsonx will take into account, well, what if the Jets 25:24have the best defense in the NFL, which is a real possibility. 25:27How will that impact how many times a game Aaron Rodgers throws the ball, 25:31how many touchdowns he throws for, 25:32how much they will 25:33just be looking to run out the clock in the second halves of these games. 25:36So that's, I think, a perfect example of where 25:40the gut might say one thing oh he's good. 25:43He's back. He's healthy. We got good players. We're going to be winning. 25:46Let's go and Watsonx may very well tell you 25:49all those factors actually suggest 25:53that while the Jets will be good, Rodgers numbers will not be nearly as good 25:57as those of another quarterback whose team may stink on ice. 26:02But because they're losing all the time, he's going to throw 26:05two meaningless touchdowns in the fourth quarter of every game. 26:08And you're going to wind up winning your fantasy matchup that week. 26:10So that's again, another example of where the gut is is really to be ignored. 26:18Okay. 26:19So you just made this game really tough then Mike, 26:21because I was hoping then that Elizabeth could represent the data. 26:25Right. 26:26But you are so in alignment 26:28with the data at this point that you just checked your own gut. 26:30Well, I mean, I my gut has never gotten me anywhere. 26:34I mean, I was there was one year I mean the the legendary, 26:38on the old show on Mike and Mike, which I used to host. 26:41We had this thing called the KOD, I was the Kiss of Death, 26:44and it came up because there was one year in the playoffs. 26:47There were there used to be ten NFL playoff games before the Super Bowl. 26:49There are now more because they've added more wild cards. 26:51But in those days there were ten NFL playoff games. 26:54And you know, we would make predictions on them. 26:56And I went oh and ten against the spread. 26:58I defy you to do that on purpose. 27:00I defy anyone to go oh and ten against the spread through an entire NFL postseason. 27:07So if you listen to my gut, you deserve what you get. 27:11Well, this conversation has been just extraordinary. 27:14So thank you, Mike. 27:15Thank you, 27:15Elizabeth, for sharing your time with us today, for sharing your insights. 27:19And everyone who's been listening and watching. 27:21Thank you for being here as well. 27:22But please stay tuned for the next episode coming very soon. 27:26If you've got any thoughts, any comments? 27:28If you're upset about your lineup, do this for me. 27:30Just light up the comments section, drop them all in the chat. 27:34And until then, I'm Albert Lawrence and this has been AI in Action. 27:37See you soon.